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Bob Blake

and the re-invented self

This short article was written a couple of years ago, though updated recently.  It has remained, unpublished, on my computer for a number of reasons, the chief of which is the chance that some readers could misinterpret my reasons for writing the piece in the first place.  Basically, the article concerns the Sussex singer Bob Blake, whom I met and recorded in the early 1970s.  When we first met I assumed that Bob was a traditional singer, similar to the other Sussex singers, such as George Spicer and Harry Upton, that I was recording at the same time.  Following Bob's death, his daughter sent me some manuscripts which indicated that Bob, unlike George and Harry, had learnt all of his songs from printed sources and that I, in my naïveté, had unwittingly helped to present Bob as a 'traditional folk singer, rather than as a singer of traditional songs.  I cannot stress enough that this article is not meant as a condemnation of Bob Blake, a charming and generous man, but rather is meant to be a re-evaluation of Bob, his songs and my approach to him.  It is as much a critique of myself as it is of Bob.

Mike Yates

Writing in his new book, Victorian Songhunters, E David Gregory has this to say about the word folksong:
The term folksong is problematic, in part because there is no consensus on how to define it, and in part because it has been claimed that the concept is an ideological construction and that most or all folksongs are in fact fakesongs (i.e., either composed songs masquerading as folksongs or traditional songs modified by their middle-class collectors).1
Gregory then goes on to offer various definitions of the word, most of which 'assume that folksong is traditionally a form of lower-class music, i.e., that it is in some sense a music of ordinary people and not that of professional musicians, the highly educated, or wealthy members of the middle or upper classes.'2  Georgina Boyes, and others, have previously expressed similar sentiments, adding that many collectors were unable to understand how 'the folk' themselves could have created such music:
The source of the expressive culture which folksong collectors wished to see more fully appreciated, however, did have certain problematic implications.  It comprehended modal music with impressive historical and cultural associations and had notable academic and artistic possibilities.  It existed, however, almost entirely in the performance of the semi-literate working class.  This apparent paradox was explained in terms which both reinforced the status of the music whilst distancing it from its performers.  It was proposed that generally, traditional art forms, especially narrative and music, did not originate with the 'folk', but in fact derived from a gesunkenes Kulturgut (sic) of materials created by the upper classes.  These aesthetically superior creations had then, over time, been passed on to or adopted by the lower class folk.3
Another problematical term is the word folksinger, though here Dr Gregory remains silent when it comes to definitions.  And he is not alone in this matter.  Very few scholars, it seems, have bothered to spend their time defining who is, or who is not, a folksinger.  It seemed to be that if you sang a folksong, then you were a folksinger.  At one time we all knew that traditional singers had learnt their songs at their mother's knee, whilst revival singers had come to folk music via books and records.  Things changed for me in 1964 when I happened to see a copy of Lucy Broadwood's English County Songs jutting out from underneath Fred Jordan's bed.  'Hang on,' I thought.  'Fred's a traditional singer.  So why does he have a copy of a song book under his bed?'  The answer, of course, is that singers, traditional or otherwise, pick up songs wherever they can.  It might worry a scholar where a song comes from, but, to a singer, a good song is a good song.4  If the singer likes it, then he or she will sing it, no matter what the source.  And, of course, Fred Jordan not only learnt songs from his family and published folksong collections, but also from the people that he met subsequently at folk clubs and festivals.5  As Gershom Legman said, '(The traditional singer) is also likely to have a few printed slip-ballets somewhere around the house, or even a tattered copy of Ramsay's Tea-Table Miscellany or Burns' Complete Songs, like as not, and be proud to admit he has learnt a lot from it.'6

Something else happened in 1964 that made me change my fledgling ideas about just what it was that made a singer a folksinger.  Tony Wales, then running the Folk Shop at Cecil Sharp House, invited me down to that year's annual Horsham Folk Day.  The event was held on a Saturday and I was quite knocked out when I realised just how many fine singers there were left in Sussex.  One singer, and an excellent one at that, was a bee-keeper by the name of Bob Blake, and I remember him singing The Grey Hawk on that occasion.  There was, I recalled, something distinctly odd about the tune, which changed key somewhere in the middle of the verse, before returning to the original key in the last line.  At the time I had never heard of the term modulation and was unaware that English singers did not usually do such things.  The following year I moved north to live in Manchester and it was to be almost ten years before I met Bob again.  I was then living in Biggin Hill, Kent, and was looking for traditional singers to record for a series of LP's that Topic Records wished to issue.

Bob lived with his wife in a country cottage and, while willing to sing and record, was extremely quiet and reserved.  He had little to say about his life and even less to say about his songs.  He did tell me that he had picked up The Grey Hawk in 'the west-country' in the 1930s whilst on a cycling holiday.  His father, a former sailor, had taught him some sea shanties and a couple of other songs came from an uncle (his father's brother) who farmed in Gloucestershire.  Bob, it seems, would visit the uncle during school holidays and it was there that he learnt We Shepherds are the Best of Men and Our Sheepshearing's Done.  At least, that's what I thought he said at the time.  Rechecking my notes I find that Bob did not exactly say that he had learnt these songs from his uncle.  Rather, he implied that he had learnt these songs from his uncle by saying that his uncle was a singer who 'knew a number of songs such as We Shepherds are the Best of Men and Our Sheepshearing's Done'.  Of John Barleycorn he had nothing to say, beyond that he had known it 'for a long time'.  Bob did tell me that he had been born in south London and had moved to Sussex when he was 'young'.  But that, really, was all that he had to say about himself and his songs.  To be honest, I have to say that I liked Bob and was completely won over by his gentle charm and fine singing.  In the notes to the album Up in the North and Down in the South7 I said that Bob was, 'an immensely likeable man (who) was nevertheless extremely shy.' I also said that, 'I never felt that he was totally relaxed in my presence.'  On one occasion I mentioned to Peter Kennedy that I knew Bob and was surprised to find that Peter did not share my enthusiasm for Bob's singing.  It never entered my mind that Peter may have known something about Bob that was unknown to me.

In fact Bob Blake was born in Tooting, south London, in 1908, and did not move to Sussex until he was nineteen years old.  He had trained as a leather trimmer and found work repairing vehicle upholstery in a Horsham garage.  To start with he lodged with an elderly couple at a farm outside Horsham and he would cycle to work each day from the farm.  Bob fell in love with the countryside, and with a local girl, and soon made Sussex his permanent home.  If we accept what little Bob said, then he was already a traditional folksinger when he arrived in Sussex, having learnt songs from his father and uncle.  (Or, at least, having implied that he had learnt songs from members of his family.) But, it may be that this was not quite true.  It may be that Bob's stories of learning songs at home and in Gloucestershire were not exactly accurate and that, possibly hearing traditional singing in Sussex and not knowing any songs himself, he felt that he would like to be able to join in.  But where could he find some of his own songs?  I don't know whether or not Bob made a conscious decision to 'become' a folksinger.  I doubt if he set out to deceive anybody when he moved to Sussex.  Perhaps he just wanted to have a few songs of his own that he could sing in the pubs when there were other singers around.  After all, he never claimed to be a traditional folksinger.  He was a singer of old songs who, when approached by people like myself, retired behind his apparent shyness.  And, if I wanted to see him as a traditional folksinger, then that seems to have been fine by him.

When I first met Bob I was quite happy to accept what he said, even though he did not offer too much by way of explanation as to where his songs came from.  As I started to record some of his songs I did begin to wonder just why Bob was so unwilling to talk about the songs, and why he seemed nervous when I asked him about them.  Seeking out other versions of The Grey Hawk I was surprised to find how similar Bob's set was to a version collected in 1905 from Robert Barrett of Puddletown in Dorset - a version that had been printed in A Dorset Book of Folk Songs by Brocklebank & Kindesley (London, 1948).8  I was also surprised to find that 'his uncle's' two shepherding songs were both printed in Lucy Broadwood's English County Songs - the very same book that Fred Jordan had once owned.  And things may have stayed there, had it not been for the fact that Bob's daughter kindly contacted me following Bob's death asking me whether or not I was interested in seeing some song manuscripts that her father had compiled during his life.  Of course I said 'Yes' and the collection, comprising some notebooks and a few loose sheets, soon arrived through the post.  Much of the material had been written by Bob, although some of the loose sheets were in different handwritings and, as some included dedications such as 'To Bob', we may surmise that these were song texts given to Bob by other people.

To begin with there was a small notebook which contained a listing of song titles.  These were divided into four groups: 'Country', 'Sea', 'General' and 'Australian'.  I would suggest that these were the titles of songs that Bob liked to sing and that the notebook was carried to remind him of song titles when he was out singing.  The titles were as follows:


Our Sheepshearings done
We shepherds are the best of men
Crafty Ploughboy
I likes a drop of Good Beer
Basket of Eggs
John Barleycorn (Gloucester)
John     ..     ..     (Sussex)
Fare thee well my dearest dear
Grey Hawk
Marrian went to Mill (French)
I'll tell you of a fellow
Loyal Lover
Through all the country round
Sun was just setting
Little red fox (Irish)
(I've travelled about a bit in my time) - this title is scored through.
I have been travelling
My father died
Dorsetshire George
Devil & Ploughman
West Country band
(I'll weave my love a garland) - this title is scored through.
Lord Thomas
Deserter from Kent


Chinese Bum boat Man
Tom Bowline
North Pole (Whaling)
Lanagaro Log
Blow ye Winds
Gallant Frigate Amphritite
Pretty Ploughing Boy
Oyster girl
Tinker & Tailor
Fiddlers Green
Nursing Mother
Heave away my Johnies


Linden Lee
Ferry ahoy
Who is Sylvie
Londonderry Air
Drink to me only
Simon the cellarer
McPhersons Lament


Bishop & Bullocky
Come all you jolly Drovers
In the year 58
Many of the other sheets and books contained songs and music from named sources.  For example eight songs, The Ploughboy, The Dumb Wife, Guy Fawkes, The Kerry Recruit, The Jolly Waggoner, Gossip Joan, The Ringers of Egloshale and a Wassail Song, were copied from the 1963 edition of volume 2 of The Oxford Song Book.  There were nine songs copied from Broadwood's English County Songs These were Adam & Eve, The Loyal Lover, The Crocodile, Turmut Hoeing, I'll Tell You of a Fellow,9 The Seasons of the Year, The Carter's Health, Feast Song and The Shepherd's Song.  Interestingly, the latter two songs are the songs that Bob supposedly learnt from his uncle, Our Sheepshearings Done and We Shepherds are the Best of men.  There was a version of Johnny Todd, taken from MacColl & Seeger's Singing Island (1960) and there were two of Ruth Tongue's supposed 'folksongs' - They Lovers and The Garland of May - taken from a 1962 issue of The Countryman.  One song, The Wiltshire Wedding, was given the date 1719, although no source was shown for the song.  In fact The Wiltshire Wedding was printed in 1719, in Tom D'Urfey's Wit and Mirth, or, Pills to Purge Melancholy (pp.148-151).  Another song, Robin-a-Thrush, was said to be an 18th century version from Suffolk, although I am unable to trace its source.  There were also words to the following songs: National Health Song (by Miles Wootton), Manure, Manure (By J Roberts, 11, Clifton Road, Wallington), Lonesome Pine, Greenland Bound, Rum-She-Bum and Roving Journeyman.  Finally, there were a number of items of a 'non-folk' origin.  These were: two tunes, Lead Kindly Light and Rousseau's Dream, and the words and music to the following songs, Song of Songs, O Sole Mio, Play to Me Gypsy, You are my Sunshine, Garden of Happiness and Who is Sylvia?, as arranged by Schubert.

Now, it may be that, in some cases, Bob was writing out other versions of songs that he already knew, although I find this unlikely, and I am left with the conclusion that Bob probably learnt most, if not all, of his songs from print.  The mention of two versions of the song John Barleycorn (one from Gloucestershire, the other from Sussex) is also a bit of a give-away, as Edwardian collectors often emphasised which part of Britain a song came from when they published their collections.

Over the years some people have take the line that the English folksong tradition is an oral tradition, forgetting, in the process, all those thousands of broadsides that were published and sold to generations of singers.  Others have argued that this has not always been the case and that the importance lies in where and why singers were singing their songs.  And, I suppose, some would ask whether or not all this really matters.  My own view is that the tradition of singing English folksongs is, and always has been, a far more complex situation than people like Cecil Sharp and Lucy Broadwood liked to imagine.  And the same could also be said for singing in Scotland.  In 1956 the late Hamish Henderson was directed to a singer called Willie Mitchell who lived in Campbeltown on the Mull of Kintyre.  Willie was a butcher by profession and a singer by inclination.  He was also an amateur song-collector who noted songs from his friends and neighbours so that he, and his family, could sing the songs.  According to Hamish:

In December, 1956, at his home in Smith Drive, Campbeltown, I found Willie Mitchell - a relaxed, friendly, obviously very fit wee man; a face full of humour and sympathetic intelligence, and with that familiar ruddy sheen which seems the cachetic birthright of all butchers.  His charming family (wife Agnes, and daughters Agnes, Mary and Catherine) all seemed to share his enthusiasms in full measure … He showed me his manuscript song-book, which he had started in 1945, and it proved to be an exemplary - and quite fascinating - specimen of its kind.  The book contained (in 1956) 49 items, of which 23 were songs obtained from oral tradition in Kintyre; the remained consisted of 12 songs copied from print (e.g.  old numbers of the Campbeltown Courier); 9 poems and song-texts obtained from Campbeltown residents and people living in the area; 4 songs composed by Willie himself, and one sentimental nostalgic 'homeland song' (Oor Ain Glen), with the composer and the writer of the lyric both duly credited … The songs from local tradition in Willie Mitchell's books are all painstakingly documented; the source-singer is given in every case, and detailed notes relating to the song are usually appended.10
Another Scottish singer that Hamish Henderson met and recorded was Willie Mathieson who, over the years, had filled three ledgers with the texts of several hundred songs that he had heard sung by fellow farm labourers.11

In some ways we may say that the manuscript books created by Willie Mitchell and Willie Mathieson were similar to the one held by the Copper Family of Rottingdean in Sussex.12

'In 1922 James (Copper) was persuaded to write down the words of some of his songs by the daughter of the farmer for whom he had worked for over forty years.  These were the old songs that he had loved all his life, songs that he remembered hearing as a boy in the 1840s and '50s.  At the foot of one “The Shepherd of the Downs”, he wrote, “My Grandfather used to sing this song.” His grandfather on the paternal side was George Copper who was born in Rottingdean in 1784.
The Copper Family continue to refer to their song-book, even when singing on stage, although I suspect that they all know the texts off by heart.  And Bob Copper was certainly not averse to learning new songs during his life.13  Many singers that I met over the years, including Harry Upton of Sussex and Freda Palmer of Oxfordshire, had the words of songs written down on scraps of paper that were tucked away in various drawers and sideboards.  Even Harry Cox, considered to be one of the greatest English folksingers by many, had many song texts written down.14  But, all these singers, Willie Mitchell, Willie Mathieson, the Copper Family, Harry Upton, Freda Palmer and Harry Cox, were born into singing communities, whereas Bob Blake was not.  Bob, as I have suggested, probably did not know any songs when he first arrived in Sussex.  But, hearing singers in the local pubs, he decided that he too would like to join in.  And so he set about learning songs from printed collections.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether or not Bob Blake was a 'traditional singer'.  Bob, I'm sure, was true to himself, and if a young, inexperienced song collector (i.e. me) was willing to impute a label onto Bob that, with hindsight, was probably inaccurate, then the egg is surely on my face!  What really matters is the fact that Bob was a fine singer and luckily we did manage to record him singing some of the songs that he knew.  Also, many people today want a world of certainties, a world where our every thought and desire can be seen in terms of black and white.  But, of course, life is not like that and, kicking against this, we so often find ourselves suffering from the unsatisfactory nature of things.  Bob Blake gave pleasure to many people by singing his songs.  Singers like the Coppers, Bob Lewis and George Belton became his friends and accepted him as their equal.  I'm glad that I met him and heard him sing, and, at the end of the day, that's what really matters to me.

Mike Yates - 8.8.06


  1. E David Gregory, Victorian Songhunters - The Recovery and Editing of English Vernacular Ballads and Folk Lyrics 1820 - 1883.  The Scarecrow Press.  Lanham, Maryland, Toronto & Oxford.  2006, p.6.
  2. Ibid p.8.
  3. Georgina Boyes, New Directions - Old Destinations in Singer, Song & Scholar, edited by Ian Russell.  Sheffield.  1986.  pp.9-10.  Gesunkenes Kulturgat (Diminished cultural values) was a term coined in the 1920's by Hans Naumann (1886-1951) to cover a theory that folklore comprises items of past elite/aristocratic cultures that have been adapted and popularised in later folk cultures.
  4. Actually, this position has now changed somewhat and, today, most scholars are far more interested in a singer's total repertoire and, amongst other things, how the performed repertoire can change when singers find themselves in different singing situations.  See Boyes (above) pp.9-17 and Ian Russell's article Context and Content: A Study of the Repertoire of Arthur Howard in the same book (pp.30-54).
  5. Songs recorded from Fred Jordan over a period of some 40 odd years can be heard on the double CD Fred Jordan.  A Shropshire Lad (Veteran VTD148CD).  Derek Schofield's excellent booklet notes cover Fred's interaction with the revival in depth.
  6. Gershom Legman, The Horn Book.  Studies in Erotic Folklore and Bibliography.  (New York 1964.  pp.495-96).
  7. Up in the North and Down in the South (Musical Traditions MTCD 311-2, double CD).  Bob Blake sings The Basket of Eggs, The Grey Hawk, Our Sheepshearing's Done and Dorsetshire George on the album.  He can also be heard singing John Barleycorn on the CD Down in the Fields- An anthology of traditional folk music from rural England (Veteran VTC4CD) and The Bonny Labouring Boy on the CD The Birds Upon the Tree (Musical Traditions MTCD 331).
  8. I now suspect that Bob's change of key in the middle of the tune probably came about because of an inability to correctly read the transcription of Barrett's tune in A Dorset Book of Folk Songs.
  9. Lucy Broadwood described I'll Tell You of a Fellow (Roud 442) as a 'Leicestershire folk song'.  In fact, the song was composed in America pre-1860.  There are at least three possible composers.  For American recordings, see: Sam McGee - Complete Recorded Works 1926-34 (Document DOCD-8036) and The Hill Billies/Al Hopkins and His Buckle Busters - Volume 1, 1925-26 (Document DOCD-8039).  Interestingly, Gavin Greig also collected two versions of the song in Scotland (The Greig/Duncan Folk Song Collection.  Volume 4, Aberdeen, 1990.  Song # 891).
  10. Tocher #31.  Edinburgh, 1979.  pp.2-3.  Willie Mitchell can be heard singing Nancy's Whiskey, Glen Breakerie and Donald McLean's Coo on the Kyloe CD (Hamish Henderson Collects - Volume 2.  Kyloe CD 110).
  11. Willie Mathieson can be head talking about his song-ledgers on the CD Hamish Henderson Collects (Kyloe CD107).  See also, Tocher#43 (1991) for an account of Willie's life.
  12. See The Copper Family Songbook - A Living Tradition (Peacehaven, Sussex.  1995) which contains 65 songs as sung by the Copper family, together with an introduction which explains how their song-book came into existence.
  13. Bob Copper acted as a collector for the BBC during the 1950s.  A selection of his field-recordings were issued on a Topic LP (Songs and Southern Breezes - Topic 12T317) .  Bob also sang some of the song's that he collected on another Topic LP (Sweet Rose in June - Topic 12TS328).
  14. 'Harry Cox is, arguably, the most important and finest amongst the great English traditional singers whose songs were collected and recorded during the 20th century' - Paul Marsh, booklet notes to the double CD The Bonny Labouring Boy (Topic Records TSCD512D).  See especially pages 23-24 of the booklet where mention is made of manuscript and printed songs in Harry Cox's possession.

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